tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post6352819847806540387..comments2023-07-17T19:13:32.799+12:00Comments on Reflections on….: Reflections on the future and the role of IT service departmentsPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15492331133314886233noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-9875758950662332442008-10-06T13:41:00.000+13:002008-10-06T13:41:00.000+13:00Thanks for that, Dave. Sally Pairman, Rae Hickey a...Thanks for that, Dave. Sally Pairman, Rae Hickey and Terry Marler are the people to contact if you'd like to know more about what is being planned for next year.Sarah Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00480597227427423793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-1372465071201249822008-10-06T13:28:00.000+13:002008-10-06T13:28:00.000+13:00@Sarah Sounds interesting. And an excellent approa...@Sarah Sounds interesting. And an excellent approach if the number of local students makes normal classes non-viable. The clinical section of course will definitely enhance the students engagement in the courses.<BR/><BR/>I wish you the best and look forward to hearing the results and seeing if there's any gems which you discover that I can apply.DaveBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364497105729859064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-10808229917002092432008-10-06T13:17:00.000+13:002008-10-06T13:17:00.000+13:00@Dave: we'll still be having 'intensives' when eve...@Dave: we'll still be having 'intensives' when everyone gets together in Dunedin F2F for instruction. The groups of students will also meet F2F in their locale with a preceptor, so they'll still get lots of F2F as well as their online course. And of course, they have their clinical experience as well, so I think we've covered as many bases as possible. A lot will then be down to the student.Sarah Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00480597227427423793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-23169639849784501372008-10-06T13:04:00.000+13:002008-10-06T13:04:00.000+13:00Sarah, with my computer technician programme, I ha...Sarah, with my computer technician programme, I have tried to offer every possible delivery style. Traditional courses for those who want and can attend them, high-contact blended evening classes for working people, and distance delivery (usually with some workshops) for those who can't or don't want to attend on-site.<BR/><BR/>Your situation is no doubt very different to mine. But I will try extremely hard to keep the live classes available for those who want and can attend classes. Providing the numbers mean that the on-site class is viable, I'd resist pushing people into a more blended, less 'live', approach.<BR/><BR/>As it turns out - the numbers of enrollments are pretty much in line with the amount of F2F contact. The fully online being less popular.<BR/><BR/>I think it is vital to keep the f2f options where it is possible so that students really can choose a learning and delivery method which they prefer.DaveBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364497105729859064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-67945999757781983722008-10-06T12:19:00.000+13:002008-10-06T12:19:00.000+13:00It will be interesting to see how we get on in Mid...It will be interesting to see how we get on in Midwifery where we are taking a blended approach to our new undergrad program. I am sure people would prefer 100% F2F but the reality is that that approach is preventing women coming into midwifery because they cannot uproot their families to come to Dunedin for 3 years. We think this approach will prove to be popular for that very reason.Sarah Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00480597227427423793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-11243306661967951492008-10-06T10:52:00.000+13:002008-10-06T10:52:00.000+13:00>But unfortunately there are plenty of >proj...>But unfortunately there are plenty of <BR/>>projects that are replacing face to face <BR/>>with online<BR/><BR/>Yes Leigh, I agree that is unfortunate.<BR/><BR/>Online information and applications can add enormously to face-to-face learning. And it does allow access to people who can not attend regular classes (distance time etc).<BR/><BR/>But I really do expect that a typical student's engagement in learning will continue to be proportional to their physical presence in a class-like environment. There will always be outliers (especially at the higher education all level Phil) - but in general I will expect preference, which will be reflected in things like enrollment and completion-rates, to be be proportional to the physical social contact with other people.<BR/><BR/>We're gathering data on that now with some experiments in this place. The outcome will be interesting. Some of the results may reflect the current generation but my expectation is that this will continue in the future.<BR/><BR/>I might be wrong - 50 years will show it. But the actual data I see now for fully online delivery is pretty weak in comparison with on-site. The only really successful programmes seem to be those which rely on an employment requirement or which only publish data from courses which are towards the end of the programme (after the vast majority of early enrollments have dropped out). <BR/><BR/>Having said that - it is very important for those who can't participate in any other way.DaveBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364497105729859064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-53033937257913865352008-10-05T16:57:00.000+13:002008-10-05T16:57:00.000+13:00Sorry, a reference to that 37% figure.Sorry, <A HREF="http://learnonline.wordpress.com/2007/12/27/revisiting-content-is-not-king-connectivity-is-priority-karen/" REL="nofollow">a reference to that 37% figure</A>.Leigh Blackallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845313396595646728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-28034119656127272792008-10-05T16:53:00.000+13:002008-10-05T16:53:00.000+13:00Certainly Dave we shouldn't remove that choice, es...Certainly Dave we shouldn't remove that choice, especially in NZ where access and use of the Internet is only really for around 37% of the NZ population. But unfortunately there are plenty of projects that are replacing face to face with online, but as much as we know that to be a mistake, it seems unavoidable that other teachers need to make that mistake also. <BR/><BR/>To my thinking, the development of online information and communication channels for education was always about widening access and choice and making it possible for people to connect with other people where as before they could not. With that widening of access and an increased people networking, I reckon face to face group learning will be enhanced, occurring more informally and in more diverse settings. And of course the traditional classrooms would be enhanced as well.Leigh Blackallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845313396595646728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-84144537052494779672008-10-05T14:44:00.000+13:002008-10-05T14:44:00.000+13:00What are you trying to say Leigh?That the media wi...What are you trying to say Leigh?<BR/><BR/>That the media will change the very nature of human social interaction? I think McLuhan had a point in his message - but one which was vastly over stated and over sensationalized.<BR/><BR/>I'm picking that in 5, and 50, years time - most people will (if we give them a chance) prefer learning in groups - physically in groups, face to face.<BR/><BR/>I worry that we will work on removing that choice.DaveBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364497105729859064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-67414056527605149372008-09-29T19:00:00.000+13:002008-09-29T19:00:00.000+13:00Dave is right (of course) face to face is better f...Dave is right (of course) face to face is better for those who socially develop their learning through social motivators and information. But as <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan" REL="nofollow">McLuhan</A> pointed out before the Internet in his work on re-cognition and self awareness, new media is about recording everything and instant replay. Those recordings enable us to make cognizant, but to also re-cognize and that, combined with hypertext and social networking makes for something more than passive text that supports face to face classes. <BR/><BR/>With that same new media becoming socially networked then that cognition to recognition through recordings will assist learning and relevance to go deeper. Face to face has a one off potency now (while the majority feel that online interaction lacks the richness of interaction they have learned face to face), but recorded and socially networked media has something evidently engaging and useful in it, now and in the future, over and over again.<BR/><BR/>If any of you have an hour spare (skip the news tonight hey), I wonder what you'll make of the US Anthropologist <A HREF="http://learnonline.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/michael-welsh-an-anthropological-introduction-to-youtube/" REL="nofollow">Michael Welsh's presentation to the Library of Congress</A> on his research into Youtube. Just something I've been thinking about that might relate a little to this discussion.Leigh Blackallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845313396595646728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-80131273224131460862008-09-22T06:46:00.000+12:002008-09-22T06:46:00.000+12:00Interesting discussion about socialisation - that ...Interesting discussion about socialisation - that human trait that makes us....human! It is highly likely that most people prefer face to face socialisation, but the reality is that an enormous number are engaging on-line, and this does not look like a fad. But face to face and on-line interactions are not mutually exclusive (obviously) in "real life" so surely it is sensible to design both into our educational programmes. Blended learning is about that, is it not? It is certainly a moot point whether learning will occur best in the face to face environment. I for one completed my masters degree by distance, and I certainly do not feel I was deprived (the opposite, actually) by not having regular face to face engagement with my "teachers". What made the learning great for me was the relevance of it to me, and the fact that the "teachers" had designed an excellent learning journey for me to embark on. I did not need to turn to teachers who were the "fonts" of knowledge. Rather, I was guided to a vast array of learning resources and provided with a frameworks to make sense of the information and expertise available to me. Now, I am not so ego driven to make my personal case study the exemplar for tertiary education. But my story is told over and over again. And another story told repeatedly is that of bored students subjected to being told what they need to know, and often the same stuff is covered in the powerpoints as in the textbook. My point? Good learning will follow good learning design!<BR/>Why do I see a future that is blended learning, acknowledging that this blend will also include face to face experiences? Because I think in the end good learning design will prevail,and good design will enable learners to tap into knowledge and expertise where ever it may be.<BR/><BR/>OER! I will pick up on this later in the week, and explain what it is we are setting up.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492331133314886233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-42235319534250897382008-09-20T10:11:00.000+12:002008-09-20T10:11:00.000+12:00Here is a great blog post from Sue Waters on how t...<A HREF="http://theedublogger.edublogs.org/2008/02/01/adding-a-rss-feed-from-feedburner-to-your-blog/" REL="nofollow">Here is a great blog post from Sue Waters</A> on how to add RSS and email subscription widgets to your blog.Sarah Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00480597227427423793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-47704316028838357762008-09-19T16:11:00.000+12:002008-09-19T16:11:00.000+12:00not really Dave. I spent a fairly large chunk of m...not really Dave. I spent a fairly large chunk of my life on IRC and various other things. I know of the kind of online socilisation that you are talking about. And I have engaged in some pretty significant online socilisation myself.<BR/><BR/>But there is a whole world of difference between that and real face to face interaction.<BR/><BR/>Another example to consider is the difference between face-to-face and telephone (which is far richer than online text). Audio communication has been around for a while now with several generations growing up with it. <BR/><BR/>But even with that familiarization, senior business people are willing to spend quite a chunk of money in getting face-time with partners directs and even competitors. Video-conference saves the need for physical meetings being as regular, but successful business owners are still willing to invest in getting people together. This isn't done on a whim - there's value in it.<BR/><BR/>Socialization in an online world exists. But it is a pale alternative to the real thing.DaveBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364497105729859064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-57937420031498555142008-09-19T09:39:00.000+12:002008-09-19T09:39:00.000+12:00Hi Dave,you're post implies that you believe t...Hi Dave,<BR/><BR/>you're post implies that you believe that socialisation occurs in the F2F environment, but not so much in the online context. <BR/><BR/>These days there are plenty of ways in which socialisation can occur online, and there's plenty of evidence to show that learners learn just as effectively, and are just as satisfied with online learning as compared with F2F. In addition most of the evidence also shows that students in blended programmes are more satisfied and achieve more highly than those in either F2F or online programmes.<BR/><BR/>"Tang & Byrne (2007) found that students involved in blended delivery programmes were more satisfied by them than either purely online or purely face-to-face programmes. Interestingly, they also found that there were no significant differences in actual learning between the three delivery methods. This finding is supported by multiple studies comparing online and classroom-based learning (Bryant, 2003)." <A HREF="http://massageonline.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/student-satisfaction-and-achievement-in-an-online-learning-context/" REL="nofollow"> Student satisfaction and achievement in an online context </A>David McQuillanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11631016980155581091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-69691345277902068462008-09-18T14:18:00.000+12:002008-09-18T14:18:00.000+12:00You may be right Phil, that as the current primary...You may be right Phil, that as the current primary school students grow up, they are more comfortable learning online. But I don't think so.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Individual learning has been around for quite a while. The US celebrate their President Lincoln being largely self-educated. The only difference between then and now is the easy access to bulk information. Most of which is still written and not unlike the books which most people in the Western world have had easy access to.<BR/><BR/>I believe that there's something in-built, at a deep cognitive level (rather than learned) which has us learn better in a social environment with other people learning the same stuff and lead by someone who's already made that journey (call them guides, facilitators or even teachers if you like).<BR/><BR/>Online delivery will always be necessary for those who cannot make it to the the group learning activities (ie class) and a few people may actually choose that as a preference. But - I believe that the vast majority of people will always prefer learning amongst other learners in a face-to-face environment.<BR/><BR/>When faced with any crystal ball gazing, I start with the assumption that human nature doesn't change. I guess it all boils down to whether learning in a social environment really is just due to a historic requirement (although alternatives did exist) or whether it really is part of being human.<BR/><BR/>We may find out - but we'll both be old men by the time we can spot that kind of major change.DaveBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364497105729859064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-66359350756143068992008-09-18T14:00:00.000+12:002008-09-18T14:00:00.000+12:00It seems so obvious to the converted that inter-in...It seems so obvious to the converted that inter-institutional collobaration is clearly the most efficient model for learning facilitation & knowledge construction. It can be somewhat frustrating to talk to those who don't quite get it (I'm talking about other institutions here), so it's fantastic that you're so supportive of this whole OER movement.<BR/><BR/>I'm interested in the <I> International Centre for Open Educational Resources </I> that you mention. Are you going to post more info about this in the future?<BR/><BR/>This paradigm shift that you talk about is going to require quite a bit of sustained effort on the part of individual teaching staff. The supports which are already in place (EDC and their staff development training, and the open IP policy) are a good start, but we've certainly got a long way to go. I'm finding that the skills and understanding required to be an effective teacher online are in some areas quite different to those that I've developed for F2F teaching. These skills are taking time to develop, and I consider myself to be a fairly competent computer user.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I'm sure you recognise this, and at least we've started on the journey.David McQuillanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11631016980155581091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745590311234826779.post-78394033445731318442008-09-18T08:14:00.000+12:002008-09-18T08:14:00.000+12:00Phil: Before you look to international collaborati...Phil: Before you look to international collaboration, how are you going to support OP staff to embrace the OER movement?Sarah Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00480597227427423793noreply@blogger.com